JAMISON FAMILY DISAPPEARANCE
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Marnie Vinge [00:00:04]:
I'm Marnie Vinge, and this is Eerie Okie. Join me and my friends as we explore the darker side of the Sooner State. What?
Margaret Nash [00:00:24]:
I.
Marnie Vinge [00:00:26]:
We made some changes. Bear with us through these first four episodes before the rebranding is final. The new email is eerieokiepodcastmail.com Instagram is eerieokie, and Facebook is also Eerie Okie. Thanks for all your constant support. We couldn't do it without you.
Margaret Nash [00:00:48]:
Okay.
Marnie Vinge [00:00:49]:
Welcome to Spooklahoma. I'm Marnie Venge, and I'm here today with Margaret Nash. Margaret is a friend of mine, the. That I made when I was in funeral service school at UCO in Edmond, and we became friends shortly after we met, and we've been friends ever since, so. Aw, she's making a sweet face at me. For those of you who can't see, which is everybody. But anyway. So, Margaret, why don't you tell us a little bit about yourself?
Margaret Nash [00:01:15]:
Hi, I'm Margaret Nash. I do go by Margaret. Don't give me any silly nicknames.
Marnie Vinge [00:01:19]:
Oh, not. No. Yeah, that's bad. Don't do that.
Margaret Nash [00:01:23]:
I currently live in Boston. I have a bachelor's degree in mortuary science. I have been a sommelier, and over the course of my adult life, I've done a lot of really silly things. I used to be a tobacconist. I was a butcher for a little while. And when I was getting my degree, I spent four semesters as the undergraduate teaching assistant in the human anatomy lab.
Marnie Vinge [00:01:49]:
And she excelled at that. She was so, so, so good at that. Margaret was. She just had, like, a natural knack for anatomy. Like, I struggled so hard with that, like, memorizing all that stuff, and she could tell you virtually everything there was about anatomy, and she was just great at it. She was awesome. I've always. She's one of the smartest people that I know.
Margaret Nash [00:02:12]:
Thank you.
Marnie Vinge [00:02:13]:
You seriously are. You really are.
Margaret Nash [00:02:14]:
Thanks.
Marnie Vinge [00:02:15]:
Which your anatomical expertise will come in handy when we're talking about some of the finer details of the discovery of these corpses.
Margaret Nash [00:02:26]:
In this case. Yeah. It's also come in handy since I started training for Strongman.
Marnie Vinge [00:02:31]:
Yes.
Margaret Nash [00:02:31]:
From powerlifting, because that's just all physics and leverage.
Marnie Vinge [00:02:38]:
That's one of the things that I liked about jiu jitsu was there's a lot of leverage, a lot of making the little guy have the upper hand in a fight.
Margaret Nash [00:02:46]:
Right. And, you know, people think that Strongman is just about being strong, and you're right. But also, there is no way that 120 pound woman can deadlift a car without understanding physics. And I've seen it happen.
Marnie Vinge [00:02:59]:
Word. That's a good point. Yeah, that's a good point. Yeah. Is that your coach that has lifted a car?
Margaret Nash [00:03:05]:
Oh, yes.
Marnie Vinge [00:03:05]:
Yeah, yeah.
Margaret Nash [00:03:06]:
She's amazing.
Marnie Vinge [00:03:07]:
Yeah, I gathered that from her Instagram handle.
Margaret Nash [00:03:09]:
Right, yeah.
Marnie Vinge [00:03:12]:
So, okay, let's, let's jump into this case that we're going to be talking about tonight. This is about the Jameson family disappearance which happened on October 8, 2009. That was the last time that anybody saw the Jameson family. The Jameson family, Bobby Dale Jamison, his wife Sherilyn and their six year old daughter Madison disappeared from their home in Eufaula, Oklahoma.
Margaret Nash [00:03:35]:
And let me tell you, there is no such Eufaula name more than Bobby Dale Jamison.
Marnie Vinge [00:03:40]:
Right. Yeah, that, that, that could not be truer. And yeah, it's a very Eufaula name. So Eufaula, for those of you who have not been there, is this place out east of Oklahoma City that is kind of small town, USA with a really big lake that people like to party on. It's located in McIntosh county and the population is roughly 2,800 people.
Margaret Nash [00:04:05]:
That's pretty small.
Marnie Vinge [00:04:06]:
That's real small because like what we. Let's see, Oklahoma City is over a.
Margaret Nash [00:04:11]:
Million in the metro.
Marnie Vinge [00:04:12]:
Okay. And Boston of course, where I live.
Margaret Nash [00:04:16]:
Over a million in the metro as well.
Marnie Vinge [00:04:18]:
Yeah. I wonder what the population of Moore is. It's probably in the hundreds of thousands.
Margaret Nash [00:04:23]:
Probably.
Marnie Vinge [00:04:23]:
I would imagine.
Margaret Nash [00:04:24]:
I'd have to look it up.
Marnie Vinge [00:04:25]:
So 2, 800 people is a tiny town. Really.
Margaret Nash [00:04:28]:
It's a hamlet.
Marnie Vinge [00:04:29]:
Yeah, teeny tiny. So. And one of the things about this place is that their slogan is where pride creates progress. Yeah. So one of the things that they seem to be progressing at quite well is the manufacturing of meth.
Margaret Nash [00:04:49]:
It's pretty messed up out there.
Marnie Vinge [00:04:51]:
Lot. Oh wow. That almost went completely over my head. That was great. That was excellent.
Margaret Nash [00:04:57]:
Thanks.
Marnie Vinge [00:04:57]:
That was an amazing pun. I like. Kudos to you. Pretty messed up out there. Okay. So this is. Meth is such a problem in eastern Oklahoma that there are other similar cases to the Jamison family disappearing. This is not uncommon out there for people to disappear.
Marnie Vinge [00:05:17]:
If you've ever seen. Have you ever seen Winter's Bone?
Margaret Nash [00:05:20]:
I don't think I have.
Marnie Vinge [00:05:21]:
Oh God, it's so good. Jennifer Lawrence was in it when she was really, really young. And she plays this girl who is looking throughout the backwoods of methed up Missouri for her dad who has crossed a meth dealer and she has to, she has to find him before. I think it's like before his parole officer. So there's some kind of deadline that she's working against, and she runs into some hairy out there. Like they. Oh, it's bad.
Margaret Nash [00:05:56]:
Probably hairy. Literally and figuratively.
Marnie Vinge [00:05:59]:
Yes. Yes to both of those. Absolutely. You. Yeah, she. It's. It's pretty. It's pretty rough.
Marnie Vinge [00:06:06]:
And I'm kind of imagining that. I mean, I've been to eastern Oklahoma. I don't really have to imagine it, but it's kind of like what they showed in that movie. Like. So these things are not entirely uncommon in eastern Oklahoma. And like I was saying to Margaret earlier when we were at dinner, my dad was very fond of saying that people went to eastern Oklahoma and didn't come back. He was from there and he knew a lot about people disappearing. Well, not.
Marnie Vinge [00:06:33]:
I don't mean that in a way, like he made people disappear. Don't mean like that. Clear. Let's be clear. He just knew of people who had disappeared. So, anyway, so by all accounts, nothing was amiss.
Margaret Nash [00:06:46]:
A likely story.
Marnie Vinge [00:06:47]:
A likely story. That's right. Aside from an incident occurring with Bobby's father, which. Margaret, here's another. You fall a name for you, Bob Dean Jameson.
Margaret Nash [00:06:57]:
Oh, Bob Dane.
Marnie Vinge [00:06:58]:
Yeah. A protective order was filed 6. Six months prior to the disappearance with Bobby Jamison, saying that his father was a very dangerous man who thinks he is above the law. So. Yeah. And apparently he was involved in, quote, prostitutes, gangs and meth, which I. I could see that being the case. And his uncle actually said that his.
Marnie Vinge [00:07:28]:
Bobby's father was a pretty nasty man. He was pretty. Pretty mean. And he actually tried to hit Bobby with his vehicle in 2008, in November of 2008, which is what prompted the protective order.
Margaret Nash [00:07:44]:
So nothing like a loving father trying to hit his son with his truck.
Marnie Vinge [00:07:47]:
I mean, that's. That's like. Like, what do we say? That that's commitment. That's like.
Margaret Nash [00:07:52]:
That's. That's love. That's commitment.
Marnie Vinge [00:07:54]:
Yeah, that's. That's like really wanting to hurt someone, trying to run them over with your car.
Margaret Nash [00:07:59]:
That's family.
Marnie Vinge [00:08:00]:
Yeah. Yeah, that is. Ah, coffee. So a few days after the disappearance, the truck was found. The Jameson's truck was found inside. This is what's kind of weird. These items were found inside. IDs, wallets, phones, Sherilyn's purse, the family dog, and $32,000 in cash.
Margaret Nash [00:08:28]:
Not the family dog.
Marnie Vinge [00:08:29]:
Which. Okay, for all of those of you who listened to the episode about the Hex House Bon Bon did not make it out alive. But this dog. This dog does. This dog. This dog was malnourished in the truck, but still alive and went on to live with Bobby's mother.
Margaret Nash [00:08:46]:
Praise Jesus.
Marnie Vinge [00:08:47]:
Yes. So the dog is okay for those of you who are concerned about the dog. I know. I'm always concerned about the dog in stories like this.
Margaret Nash [00:08:53]:
Well, that's why there's the website. Does the dog die?
Marnie Vinge [00:08:56]:
I didn't know that's a thing.
Margaret Nash [00:08:57]:
Yeah, you can look it up every movie, every. I think a lot of TV shows, too. You can go on, does the dog die? And answer the question, does the dog die?
Marnie Vinge [00:09:08]:
So, like, it doesn't spoil anything else, but it tells you if the dog dies?
Margaret Nash [00:09:11]:
I am not sure, but I think that's correct. I think it tells you if more than just, does the dog die? But if the dog is ill.
Marnie Vinge [00:09:21]:
Okay.
Margaret Nash [00:09:21]:
And makes it out, or if the dog gets harmed.
Marnie Vinge [00:09:24]:
Okay, that is brilliant.
Margaret Nash [00:09:28]:
That makes me wonder if Cujo's on.
Marnie Vinge [00:09:30]:
There, does the dog die? Does the dog need to die?
Margaret Nash [00:09:36]:
That's a different question entirely.
Marnie Vinge [00:09:38]:
Yeah. Yeah, that's a. I wonder if Cujo is on there. We should definitely look that up here in a little bit.
Margaret Nash [00:09:45]:
Listeners, if you know, please don't let us know because we're gonna look it up later.
Marnie Vinge [00:09:50]:
Yeah, exactly. We don't want to hear from you. We're just doing this to hear ourselves talk.
Margaret Nash [00:09:55]:
That's all I ever do.
Marnie Vinge [00:09:57]:
Yeah, same, same. I mean, why else would you start a podcast unless you love the sound of your own voice, especially when you're sick. So. Yeah. So $32,000 in cash in the truck. That's a lot of cash to be running around with.
Margaret Nash [00:10:15]:
It's a lot of money to just leave in a truck. Ung.
Marnie Vinge [00:10:18]:
If you're. Yeah, if. I mean, they had to have been planning to come right back.
Margaret Nash [00:10:23]:
Yeah. Or they weren't planning to leave.
Marnie Vinge [00:10:26]:
Right.
Margaret Nash [00:10:27]:
The plot thickens.
Marnie Vinge [00:10:29]:
Yeah. Or one of them is saying, I'm going to kill you and myself and this kid before the night is over. So it's not going to matter if I come back to this truck.
Margaret Nash [00:10:45]:
Anything is possible, isn't it?
Marnie Vinge [00:10:46]:
Yeah, that's true. Okay, so the truck was located in Latimer county, which is an hour away from the Jamison family home in Eufaula. They were actually looking for land to buy near there. And I think one of these articles talks about the place where they were looking for land, and they said that the population there was about 500. So there's not a ton of people running around out in this place where they were looking for land.
Margaret Nash [00:11:13]:
That's the kind of place you don't really go out when it's that late at night.
Marnie Vinge [00:11:18]:
Yeah.
Margaret Nash [00:11:18]:
Because everybody's gonna know your business.
Marnie Vinge [00:11:20]:
Yeah, that's. That's kind of. That's not wise decision making, I think. Not good critical thinking.
Margaret Nash [00:11:28]:
Right.
Marnie Vinge [00:11:28]:
Yeah. So. And the items that were left in the truck indicated, like Margaret just said, they indicated that the family either planned to return or never planned to leave the truck to begin with. So anyway, after this happened in 2009, the case went cold until 2013. Nobody. Nobody came forward. Nothing. There were no leads.
Marnie Vinge [00:11:52]:
And when they did go missing, they did a search of the area. How big was the search?
Margaret Nash [00:12:00]:
At least a couple of miles.
Marnie Vinge [00:12:01]:
Okay. And there were a hundred people in the search, weren't there?
Margaret Nash [00:12:05]:
Something like that.
Marnie Vinge [00:12:05]:
Okay, so they searched the area. So in November 16th of 2013, hunters found partial skeletal remains of two adults and one child three miles away.
Margaret Nash [00:12:19]:
Yes. Don't you think they would have looked.
Marnie Vinge [00:12:22]:
Right, so it's kind of like how long were those bodies actually there?
Margaret Nash [00:12:27]:
Right. How decomposed were they?
Marnie Vinge [00:12:29]:
Right. Because apparently according to the forensic. The forensics that were used to. I don't know what I'm trying to say. The. According to forensics, it was determined that they could not determine the cause of.
Margaret Nash [00:12:46]:
Death, but they could determine the identity of the bodies.
Marnie Vinge [00:12:49]:
Yes.
Margaret Nash [00:12:51]:
Which leads me to believe that it couldn't have been something like a gunshot wound to the head and it couldn't have been old Bob Dean coming back to run him over with the car.
Marnie Vinge [00:13:00]:
Right.
Margaret Nash [00:13:01]:
Because that kind of trauma probably would have been evident even on just a skeleton. Like we've all seen those bog bodies of those people that have been dumped in the peat bogs in Scotland and pulled back up like hundreds of thousands of years, well, not that long, long time later. And you can see all the evidence of how they died and everything like that. So it couldn't have been just a good old fashioned gunshot wound to the head.
Marnie Vinge [00:13:31]:
Right. They'd have known.
Margaret Nash [00:13:33]:
Right. Had to been something more devious.
Marnie Vinge [00:13:36]:
And the other thing about that was that Bob Dean was in and out of hospitals and nursing homes at the time that the Jamesons went missing. And his brother, who I think we talked about that a little while ago, his brother said that even though he was a nasty man and he was, you know, capable of that, maybe in his prime, he was not capable of it in the physical state that he was in at the time of the.
Margaret Nash [00:14:03]:
Jameson's disappearance, He died shortly after anyway, Right?
Marnie Vinge [00:14:06]:
Yes, he died two months after. After his son went missing.
Margaret Nash [00:14:11]:
That of a broken heart. Couldn't hit him one more time with that truck.
Marnie Vinge [00:14:14]:
That's right. That's a meth love story for you. So some other discoveries that police made after the fact that included that the Jamesons were packing their belongings the night before they disappeared. And there was some footage of them doing that and they looked like they were in a trance like state.
Margaret Nash [00:14:35]:
I just want to know who was recording them.
Marnie Vinge [00:14:38]:
I think that's kind of weird too.
Margaret Nash [00:14:40]:
Like, where is this video camera.
Marnie Vinge [00:14:43]:
Right.
Margaret Nash [00:14:43]:
That was recording them packing all their stuff up while they're acting like freaking meth zombies.
Marnie Vinge [00:14:49]:
Yeah, yeah. And the question is, are they meth zombies or are they just zombies? Zombies under the influence of dun dun, dun. Witchcraft. Yes. So that was one of the other things that came to light was that Bobby went to his pastor right before the disappearance and he told them that there were, quote, unquote, two to four ghosts living on his roof. Which, I mean, if you're doing meth.
Margaret Nash [00:15:21]:
It'S a very specific number. Two to four ghosts?
Marnie Vinge [00:15:24]:
Yeah. Even if you're not doing meth, it's a specific number. But I mean, maybe he. Maybe it was the meth that made him think that there were two to four ghosts living on his roof.
Margaret Nash [00:15:33]:
But I think it's important to notice that Cherilyn and her friend Nikki had bought Satanic Bibles, or witchcraft, which is Bibles. There are different accounts, call them different things. But let's be real, it's eastern Oklahoma. Satan and witches are the same.
Marnie Vinge [00:15:54]:
Yeah.
Margaret Nash [00:15:55]:
So it doesn't really matter which it was. In one article, I've got a picture of the Satanic Bible written by lavey. In another article, I've got a picture of the witch's Bible written by Janet and Stuart Farrar. Yeah, could be. Anyway. Yeah, but it says in one of these articles that Bobby Dale confessed to his pastor that he had read it.
Marnie Vinge [00:16:16]:
Yeah, that's right.
Margaret Nash [00:16:18]:
He didn't just own it. And apparently Sherilyn left notes around the house saying, be gone, Satan.
Marnie Vinge [00:16:30]:
Yeah.
Margaret Nash [00:16:31]:
So, yeah, she actually.
Marnie Vinge [00:16:33]:
She believed that she could cast out demons. And at one point, Bobby actually asked his pastor for special bullets with which to conduct an exorcism.
Margaret Nash [00:16:47]:
Because everybody knows that a good exorcism contains a gun.
Marnie Vinge [00:16:50]:
Yeah. And special bullets.
Margaret Nash [00:16:52]:
You gotta have the special bullets or else the gun just does nothing.
Marnie Vinge [00:16:55]:
Yeah, yeah, you're just. You're just gonna kill the regular human if you just use the regular gun.
Margaret Nash [00:17:00]:
And the demon will still be there, of course. We'll just move into the next body, which is probably you.
Marnie Vinge [00:17:05]:
Yeah. You need the special bullets.
Margaret Nash [00:17:07]:
Right. It's safer.
Marnie Vinge [00:17:07]:
Yeah. So. So, yeah. So, Cheryl Lynn, I think. I don't know if you mentioned this, but she claims she bought the Bible as a joke. He admitted to having read it, but her friend Nikki talked about how the two of them were interested in witchcraft.
Margaret Nash [00:17:25]:
Right.
Marnie Vinge [00:17:25]:
They did have some interest in that, which I can see living somewhere like Eufaula. And having any kind of interest in something dark like that might paint you as an outsider.
Margaret Nash [00:17:38]:
Right.
Marnie Vinge [00:17:39]:
Kind of not something that you would express to everybody, and it would definitely be something that people would latch onto if you and your family disappeared.
Margaret Nash [00:17:48]:
Oh, certainly. Because everybody knows that Satan and witches are what make people disappear.
Marnie Vinge [00:17:52]:
That's right.
Margaret Nash [00:17:53]:
It's never meth.
Marnie Vinge [00:17:54]:
It's never meth dealers. Yeah. So Connie Kokotan, who was Sherrilyn's mother, believed that they had been become involved with a cult, which kind of goes hand in hand with this. So, I mean, I can see her thinking that if she was raised in a Southern Baptist kind of area of the country and finds out that her daughter had a Satanic or witches Bible, and now her daughter has disappeared. It's got to be the work of a culture.
Margaret Nash [00:18:22]:
Right? This, you know, 2009 is not that long since the Satanic panic of the 80s.
Marnie Vinge [00:18:29]:
True.
Margaret Nash [00:18:30]:
Especially in Eastern Oklahoma, where time moves at half pace.
Marnie Vinge [00:18:34]:
Yes, absolutely. Absolutely. I mean, I feel like the satanic panic is still kind of going on here. Yeah, it's kind of. We're kind of. We got. We got stuck there. Yeah, yeah.
Margaret Nash [00:18:44]:
Everybody gets stuck somewhere at some point, right?
Marnie Vinge [00:18:46]:
Yeah, that's right. That's our decade here. So she. She had that theory and some other theories, the spiritual warfare angle, that they were in some kind. This is kind of like a supernatural conspiracy theory that maybe, I don't know, like, demons or Satan got them or something like that. But so their pastor, Gary Brandon, he believed that the Satanic Bible had something to do with it. And apparently he was so shook up by this case that he left the area shortly thereafter, which he's not the only one who left the area. So another theory is that they went into witness protection because there was no sign of struggle at the truck, and the Jamisons had pulled their daughter from school shortly before the disappearance.
Margaret Nash [00:19:46]:
So whose bodies were found in the woods?
Marnie Vinge [00:19:49]:
Right.
Margaret Nash [00:19:50]:
Or maybe their witness protection didn't work.
Marnie Vinge [00:19:52]:
Yeah, yeah, that's kind of. That's got some holes in it. But the. The reason that people believe this, like this is pure speculation. There's no evidence towards this. But some people believe that maybe they were informants against local meth dealers. But what I think is more likely is this theory that there was a meth deal gone wrong. Okay, so it's really weird that they had $32,000 in cash.
Margaret Nash [00:20:16]:
Thousand, not three. $232,000.
Marnie Vinge [00:20:21]:
Right.
Margaret Nash [00:20:21]:
That's a lot of dollars, y'. All.
Marnie Vinge [00:20:23]:
That's a lot of dollars to be running around in a truck in meth country with your kid. Yeah, like, that's. That's kind of. Kind of scary.
Margaret Nash [00:20:31]:
Although, to be fair, I've never done a meth deal on the buying or selling end of it.
Marnie Vinge [00:20:37]:
Same.
Margaret Nash [00:20:37]:
I don't know how much it costs.
Marnie Vinge [00:20:40]:
Same.
Margaret Nash [00:20:40]:
I don't know how much you buy or sell at a time. So if there's anyone who has answers to these questions.
Marnie Vinge [00:20:47]:
Yes.
Margaret Nash [00:20:48]:
If you'll just shoot us an email so that we can make a more informed decision, that would be great.
Marnie Vinge [00:20:54]:
Spooklahoma. Gmail.com.
Margaret Nash [00:20:57]:
There you go. Send it in.
Marnie Vinge [00:20:58]:
Yeah, or send a direct message on Instagram, which is Ooklahoma. So let us know. Let us know the ways. Like. Like, how much. How much meth is? $32,000 worth of meth?
Margaret Nash [00:21:08]:
It's about a house worth of meth, I think.
Marnie Vinge [00:21:10]:
Yeah, yeah.
Margaret Nash [00:21:12]:
And what I mean by that is stop buying meth and put a down payment on a house.
Marnie Vinge [00:21:16]:
Exactly, exactly. That's a lot. That's. That's some good. That's some good education right there.
Margaret Nash [00:21:21]:
Well, and there's. There's a question here, because, you know, that's a whole lot of money to just have, especially in eastern Oklahoma, where, you know, minimum wage hasn't changed since 1954.
Marnie Vinge [00:21:33]:
Right.
Margaret Nash [00:21:34]:
And I believe they were both on disability.
Marnie Vinge [00:21:37]:
Y. Yes, they were. It was really weird that they had that much. Yeah.
Margaret Nash [00:21:43]:
Money.
Marnie Vinge [00:21:44]:
Which, I mean, at. At that point, you have to. You have to almost say that drugs were absolutely involved.
Margaret Nash [00:21:50]:
I mean, I see no other way to do it. Unless they were selling their child.
Marnie Vinge [00:21:53]:
Exactly.
Margaret Nash [00:21:54]:
Which is possible because. You follow.
Marnie Vinge [00:21:56]:
No offense. No offense. I mean. Yeah, it happens all over the place all the time. Like, that could very well be a possibility. And people said also that they were emaciated right before they disappeared, that they looked kind of. They might have been on meth.
Margaret Nash [00:22:10]:
Right.
Marnie Vinge [00:22:13]:
And some people believe. I think this is kind of a likely situation. Some people believe that they witnessed something illegal, and those people who were perpetrating the illegal activity made them Go away.
Margaret Nash [00:22:31]:
I mean, that is the kind of thing that people who perpetrate illegal activities do.
Marnie Vinge [00:22:36]:
Yeah, I mean, I mean, think about it like if you're out in eastern Oklahoma and you are doing something really bad and this family of three who also happen to have $32,000 on them and a dog. Yeah. And yeah, don't forget the dog come wandering up like you. You might make them disappear. But the only thing about that is why wouldn't they take the money?
Margaret Nash [00:23:00]:
Why didn't they take the truck?
Marnie Vinge [00:23:02]:
Right. It's really weird. So it kind of makes me think one of the other theories is that it was a murder suicide and there was an 11 page hate letter found in the truck written by Cheryl Lynn to Bobby. That's a lot of pages to write anything.
Margaret Nash [00:23:24]:
And, and really, if you're gonna write 11 pages of hate, why would you get into a truck with that person?
Marnie Vinge [00:23:33]:
Right.
Margaret Nash [00:23:33]:
Why would you get into a truck with that person with that letter?
Marnie Vinge [00:23:36]:
Right.
Margaret Nash [00:23:37]:
Had he read it yet or were they planning a trip and she was gonna slap it down in front of his face, make him read it all as torture and then kill him?
Marnie Vinge [00:23:46]:
Yeah, that definitely could be the case. And going with that theory that maybe she was going to make him read it, maybe he read it and he flipped out. Yeah, because she had her gun with her and when they found the truck, the gun was gone from the truck. So, I mean. But then at the same time, if she or he did shoot the three of them, where is the evidence of that? Right?
Margaret Nash [00:24:16]:
Right. I mean.
Marnie Vinge [00:24:19]:
It'S kind of baffling. Right?
Margaret Nash [00:24:21]:
I mean, I'm not a coroner, I'm not a medical examiner, but you know, I.
Marnie Vinge [00:24:25]:
You're a woman of science.
Margaret Nash [00:24:26]:
I'm a woman of science and I've watched a lot of tv. Gunshot wounds leave a fairly evident path. Yeah, like, gunshot wounds are pretty discreet. So I have a hard time imagining that the forensics would be good enough to identify the body, but not good enough to identify that they had been shot in the head. Unless the forensic scientists were the meth dealers who disappeared them.
Marnie Vinge [00:25:00]:
Oh, dun dun, dun. We have arrived in conspiracy ville. I love it. Yes, yes. And that, that brings us to the sheriff who left the country.
Margaret Nash [00:25:14]:
Okay, so the sheriff who presided over the case, or however you call it, if you know the answer to that, please don't contact me. I don't care about sheriffs. He left the country because he was apparently torn up that he couldn't find out what happened to the little girl. The parents be damned.
Marnie Vinge [00:25:34]:
Right.
Margaret Nash [00:25:34]:
He Was concerned about the little girl. He moved not only out of Oklahoma, but out of the United States for that.
Marnie Vinge [00:25:42]:
Right.
Margaret Nash [00:25:44]:
Seems a little weird.
Marnie Vinge [00:25:46]:
It's a little extreme. I mean, I've seen. I've seen that show on ID Discovery that's called, like. I think it's called. Let's see, what's the one with Matthew McConaughey? Is that true Detective?
Margaret Nash [00:25:55]:
You're trying to tell me things I don't know.
Marnie Vinge [00:25:57]:
Okay, so there's this. There's like this. This show that's called Real Detective. That's actually about real detectives. Not. It's not actually, like, True Detective.
Margaret Nash [00:26:05]:
Good name for a show.
Marnie Vinge [00:26:06]:
Okay. Yeah. Very, very apparent what we're talking about on this show, Real Detective. So. And they tell about the most horrific case that they ever faced that changed them in some way.
Margaret Nash [00:26:16]:
Sure.
Marnie Vinge [00:26:17]:
But, like, all of those detectives saw some pretty horrific shit. Worse. I mean, I'm not taking away from the fact that a child was murdered here, but they saw things where children were sexually abused and then murdered. Things that were worse for all intents and purposes. Like more suffering, kind of.
Margaret Nash [00:26:36]:
Right. Truly horrific. More than a disappearance. Sure.
Marnie Vinge [00:26:40]:
And they did not leave their jobs. But, I mean, this guy is a small town sheriff, so this may be the worst thing that he's ever seen.
Margaret Nash [00:26:47]:
Yeah, but also, small town sheriffs, I feel, are known for being crooked, corrupt.
Marnie Vinge [00:26:51]:
Yes, very good point. I think this is a very strange point of this story that the sheriff up and left town. Not just left town, left the country.
Margaret Nash [00:27:00]:
I wonder if he and the pastor were in cahoots.
Marnie Vinge [00:27:02]:
I know, because the pastor, he. He went up and left shortly after this.
Margaret Nash [00:27:06]:
And he didn't give him special bullets.
Marnie Vinge [00:27:08]:
Yeah. If he had just. If Gary Brannon had just given Bobby Dean some special bullets, then he could.
Margaret Nash [00:27:18]:
Have performed the exorcism and everything would have been fine.
Marnie Vinge [00:27:21]:
Yeah. Yeah.
Margaret Nash [00:27:23]:
We wouldn't be sitting here on this gloomy Thursday wasting our lives.
Marnie Vinge [00:27:26]:
Exactly. So this Gary, it's all his fault.
Margaret Nash [00:27:30]:
Yep.
Marnie Vinge [00:27:30]:
It's all.
Margaret Nash [00:27:31]:
Thanks, Gary.
Marnie Vinge [00:27:31]:
Thanks, Gary. So, you know, the more I look into this, the more I'm thinking that maybe it was demons.
Margaret Nash [00:27:39]:
Like, I mean, she did say that he would that. So Sherilyn said that Bobby Dean was normally a warm and comforting person. And she would see him coming toward her with all light out of his eyes. Big, black, dead eyes. That could be the meth talking, but it could be demons.
Marnie Vinge [00:27:59]:
It could be demons.
Margaret Nash [00:28:00]:
I think it's demons.
Marnie Vinge [00:28:01]:
I think it's demons. I think. I think we've solved this case. Case closed.
Margaret Nash [00:28:05]:
Bam. Done.
Marnie Vinge [00:28:07]:
Yeah.
Margaret Nash [00:28:07]:
Give me my Emmy.
Marnie Vinge [00:28:08]:
Yeah, exactly. Well, I think that that's. That's about it for this case. And you listeners, if you have any theories about what happened to the Jamison family, feel free to contact us. We set our email address a little bit a little while ago, but it's spooklahoma gmail.com or spooklahoma on Instagram. Send us a message, let us know what you think, and feel free to follow us on social media also and subscribe to the podcast. Thank you, Margaret, for being on. If you want to plug anything that you've got, feel free to do.
Marnie Vinge [00:28:45]:
So.
Margaret Nash [00:28:46]:
Thanks for having me. My Instagram handle, where you can really just see selfies of me and videos.
Marnie Vinge [00:28:52]:
Of me lifting weights, which are awesome.
Margaret Nash [00:28:54]:
Thanks.
Marnie Vinge [00:28:55]:
She is strong.
Margaret Nash [00:28:57]:
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Marnie Vinge [00:29:07]:
Yes, absolutely. Valentine's Day is coming up. Show us some love right around the corner. That's right. All right, well, thank you guys for listening. Thank you for being here, Margaret. I had so much fun.
Margaret Nash [00:29:17]:
Thank you for.
Marnie Vinge [00:29:17]:
Can't wait to do it again. All right.
Margaret Nash [00:30:24]:
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Marnie Vinge [00:31:18]:
Sam.